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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 16, 2004 20:17:05 GMT
I posted this topic on Video Game Chat ages ago, and it was very popular. Anyway, I'm enraged that the GC, an amazing console is getting so little recognition. Consoles like the PS2 that are past it and not good anymore are so popular, but why?! Here's a conversation between me and some folks at school. BOY 1: Gamecube sucks. ME: Errrr....nah. BOY 1: Aye it does! ME: Do you even have one? BOY 1: Nah, but it sucks. ME: So, you can't say it sucks. BOY 1: Look, the gamecube sucks, doesn't it? BOY 2: yeah! ME: But... BOYS 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9: Shut up, The Gamecube sucks, face it! ME: PS2s are bangers! BOY 2: Shut the **** up, moron!
(escalates into lots of swearing)
But you see my point. So many people own consoles like the PS2 that you can't argue...
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Post by Sin on Dec 16, 2004 20:24:15 GMT
Anyway, I'm enraged that the GC, an amazing console is getting so little recognition. Consoles like the PS2 that are past it and not good anymore are so popular, Hmm, do I smell irony in this sentence? I think I do.
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 16, 2004 20:29:00 GMT
WHERE?!! WHERE?!! Where...?
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Post by JC on Dec 16, 2004 20:30:51 GMT
Consoles like the PS2 that are past it and not good anymore are so popular, but why?! Urm the playstation 2 has outsold both gamecube and xbox and is set to be the highest selling games console this christmas... again.
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Post by Sin on Dec 16, 2004 20:33:25 GMT
Well, it seems that instead of making an argument that makes the Gamecube seem like a better console, you have taken the fanboy route and just flamed the PS2. Reverse consoles and you are doing exactly the same thing that those people you are ‘talking’ to in your post. I advise that perhaps you try to learn good arguments that advertise the GCs games because just flaming rival consoles makes your whole argument not worth my time.
This is coming from a PS2 owner, who is interested in buying a GC someday (perhaps after Christmas).
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 16, 2004 20:36:07 GMT
Oh, God... You've got it all wrong.
1-I'm not a fanboy.
2-I'm not deliberately flaming the PS2, just using it as an example.
3-I meant that the PS2's games quality has slumped recently. (which is true)
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Post by Alex on Dec 16, 2004 20:43:00 GMT
Spec wise, the Gamecube is more powerful than the PS2. It can handle fog and smoke effects and has a higher processing rate.
That aside, the two are rather similar, except with the Gamecube's graphics processor making the graphics more crisp and rounded and generally just a touch nicer.
The reason it is 'unpopular' is because 'casual gamers' are sucked in by the stereotype that it is simply just for kids. It doesn't have GTA or HALO, so you can't stupidly kill people - therefore it's for babies and it sucks.
It's a stupid way of looking at things, but it's the way they do it.
Industry wise, most developers love Nintendo - but the Gamecube has become a financial black hole for them. Exclusive games cannot make enough money on the Cube, so outside of Nintendo's there pretty much are none. It doesn't help matters with selling Cubes, but what are you gonna do?
The Gamecube SHOULDN'T get the bad press it gets. But the PS2 and Xbox shouldn't suffer for that.
Until casual gamers grow out of an ignorance they seem to have been brought up in (And encouraged semingly by certain companies... Sony's ad slogan for the PSP happened to be "It's not your little brother's Gameboy"), this kind of downplay against the Gamecube will continue, and follow on into the time of the Revolution.
Maybe the way the next generation will be set up, IE, in a slightly non-traditional form taken by Nintendo at least, will see a balancing out of this. But who knows.
It's not like Nintendo or the fans have to worry that much. People who buy Gamecubes and Nintendo Games and Systems in general do so because they know they're buying into the best (The official best, might I add before I get accused of simply 'fanboyism'). Nintendo has plenty of cash and will continue to produce such things and with innovation such as the DS - it's clear to see why those who support Nintendo do so. It's a pity that we miss out on some genuinely good games, but remember that those who shun Nintendo lose out on arguably some of the best games released.
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Post by JC on Dec 16, 2004 20:43:33 GMT
3-I meant that the PS2's games quality has slumped recently. (which is true) I think that the following would take exception to that claim. Burnout 3. Resident evil outbreak. gta san andreas. sega superstarts. terminator 3 the redemption. wwe smackdown vs raw. mortal kombat deception. driver 3. Secret weapons over normandy. Sonic heroes (if you compare it to the past games you may dispute this one) and I cant remember the name of it but whats that other one thats advertised on TV all the time before those shows on sky. not firewalker the war one. yeah there have been some bad games that came out for it this year but there have been some very good games... and that statement is also true for every other console including the pc. e.g. xbox: halo 2. gamecube: (spelling?) metroid/fusion. PC: half life 2.
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Post by Alex on Dec 16, 2004 20:47:29 GMT
Driv3r is one of the worstly designed, coded and published games this year - hardly a star on the button of anyone, let alone Atari or the PS2. The game was published unfinished and has been critically slammed for it. Atari barely sold the amount needed to stay in business, and if you ask me, they did not deserve it at all.
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 16, 2004 20:48:53 GMT
As in, PS2 exclusive games. A game hardly can give credit to a console if it's on every other one. Now that you mention it, you're right. Of course, I never said the PS2 never made good games (San Andreas...drool...), it's just that it ain't what it once was, that's all.
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 16, 2004 20:49:46 GMT
3-I meant that the PS2's games quality has slumped recently. (which is true) Excuse me? This is the best the PS2 has ever had it. Killzone, Ratchet and Clank 3, Burnout 3, San Andreas... basically what Hogfather said. Your response made you as bad as those nobends you were talking too. Incidentally, you don't need to own a Gamecube to have an opinion on it. I don't own one but I have played on one, and I love it. However, I can see why some types of gamer would dislike it.
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Post by Blizz on Dec 16, 2004 20:52:55 GMT
Half these people who own a PS2 are forgetting where home consoles' popularity came from. The old-skool companies, Sega and Nintendo. Both Sony and Microsoft owe those two companies a lot, even though Nintendo are still making their own hardware, and Sega dropped out of the console wars shortly after the release of SA2.
EDIT: No offence intended, for those who do own an X-Box or PS2.
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Post by JC on Dec 16, 2004 20:57:16 GMT
sorry if this ends up being a double post but it needs to be said because its important to why the gamecube is the weakest of all consoles.
firstly the prmary owners in Japan are extremely conservative. By this I mean unlike the xbox owners and some of the radical sony guys love to take risks,
for example. all consoles have the ability to go online. both the ps2 and x box have this globally, however gamecube waited to see how the market would respond, even though it is a sucess they still havnt given it 100% support which is a severe blow since console wars round 2 (round 1 was psx, n64, saturm/dreamcast) (megadrive vs super nes was the 100 years war of videogames, very ugly.) therefore it looses huge numbers of games who want to play online.
secondly when the ps2 came out it was dvd ready. as was xbox (provided you paid £20 for a remote) and when they came out dvd players were at around the £300-£400 price tag. because people saw a ps2 going for £200-£300 (depending where you lived) which played dvds and games also! it was a bargin! same with the xbox (but only rich people need apply at £400! which cost it popularity hugely) so imagine how much the gamecube suffered because the owners believed that dvds wouldnt help sell a gamecube so lets no even make it dvd compatible. dreaful and devistating mistake.
these two things are increadibly hurtful to gamecube for two reasons,
1: people see that x box and ps2 has so much more and can do so much more for your money.
2: when games companies see people getting the other systems because they have so much more they are going to make their best games for these systems because thats where the money is. With the exception of nintendo owned licenses, nintendo have had to buy companies to make games for them. e.g final fantasy crystal cronicals and fftactics as well as ff1 (gba) are there because nintendo paid huge ammounts for them to make the game, not for squarenix to do an exclusive like what sony has with rockstar and many others but to make single games. also they have lost the exclusive resident evil series which was a huge advantage for them.
Because games companies are now seeing the conservative nature of nintendo they know that they can make more money with the other consoles which took the risks.
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 16, 2004 21:01:44 GMT
Because games companies are now seeing the conservative nature of nintendo they know that they can make more money with the other consoles which took the risks. You really hate Nintendo, don't you? Nintendo has taken many risks. Open your eyes, man... Oops, double post. Sorry. You will be! okay, can just say something about the whole DVD thing? GC, Xbox and PS2 are GAMES consoles that are intended to play GAMES. Wanna watch DVDs, get a DVD player.
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Post by Alex on Dec 16, 2004 21:03:53 GMT
Half these people who own a PS2 are forgetting where home consoles' popularity came from. The old-skool companies, Sega and Nintendo. Both Sony and Microsoft owe those two companies a lot, even though Nintendo are still making their own hardware, and Sega dropped out of the console wars shortly after the release of SA2. EDIT: No offence intended, for those who do own an Xbox or PS2. I can bet that the majority of them don't know that without Nintendo they wouldn't have a PS2 or X-box. Nintendo were the ones that relaunched the home console market and put their own necks on the line for it. It had crashed a decade before to give way to the arcades following some rather dire excuses for home gaming but Nintendo said "Stuff yas" after great success from Donkey Kong and went on to produce the Famicom. After the Sega CD was released (Once again, with Sega leading the way for innovation... but pretty much failing when it came to implimentation of it), Nintendo wanted to copy them and so brought in Sony to help develop a CD reading system. When the Sega CD flopped, Nintendo dropped the idea and left Sony with a prototype Playstation in all essentiallity - which it soon went on to develop completely and launch as the Playstation. So, the Playstation exists because of Nintendo. And, i'm sure we all know the sole reason why the X-box exists... because Microsoft wanted to join in within an evergrowing and popular market - where there was a lot of money to be had. Pity they didn't spend all that money they DID have on making a machine that didn't weigh a tonne and look like elephant turd, but oh well. ^^ If anything, i'd say the X-box was the true underdog of this generation. It HAS had some good games but terrible rep from the beginning. I can't blame it, for I cannot stand the sight of it, but it is a pity. Had the price been lower, the games of higher standard been more frequent and had the system actually appealed physically - I would have gotten one myself. Technically, the X-box is the one that is the least popular, but it doesn't get lumped with the 'kiddy' image that dogs Nintendo because it has games that just happen to feature video-game characters playing volleyball in very skimpy clothes...
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Post by Sin on Dec 16, 2004 21:05:20 GMT
Nintendo has taken many risks. Open your eyes, man... I am an ignorant PS2 owner, can I have some examples please?
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 16, 2004 21:07:07 GMT
releasing the console is one. Nintendo was nearly destroyed at one point. I think it was something to do with game sales, can't remember. Oh, on the note of risks, what risks did the PS2 take again? No offence or anything intended, but I honestly have no idea...
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 16, 2004 21:10:16 GMT
You really hate Nintendo, don't you? Nintendo has taken many risks. Open your eyes, man... Oops, double post. Sorry. No, Hogfather is right (OMFG, what the hell is WRONG with me?). And Nintendo aren't taking ANY risks. Their continued reliance on their brands (Mario,Zelda, Samus) to sell their consoles is hurting them. They do not have enough third party support and this is why Gamecube is unpopular. Gamecube needs a game like San Andreas.
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Post by Alex on Dec 16, 2004 21:11:34 GMT
sorry if this ends up being a double post but it needs to be said because its important to why the gamecube is the weakest of all consoles. firstly the prmary owners in Japan are extremely conservative. By this I mean unlike the xbox owners and some of the radical sony guys love to take risks, for example. all consoles have the ability to go online. both the ps2 and x box have this globally, however gamecube waited to see how the market would respond, even though it is a sucess they still havnt given it 100% support which is a severe blow since console wars round 2 (round 1 was psx, n64, saturm/dreamcast) (megadrive vs super nes was the 100 years war of videogames, very ugly.) therefore it looses huge numbers of games who want to play online. secondly when the ps2 came out it was dvd ready. as was xbox (provided you paid £20 for a remote) and when they came out dvd players were at around the £300-£400 price tag. because people saw a ps2 going for £200-£300 (depending where you lived) which played dvds and games also! it was a bargin! same with the xbox (but only rich people need apply at £400! which cost it popularity hugely) so imagine how much the gamecube suffered because the owners believed that dvds wouldnt help sell a gamecube so lets no even make it dvd compatible. dreaful and devistating mistake. these two things are increadibly hurtful to gamecube for two reasons, 1: people see that x box and ps2 has so much more and can do so much more for your money. 2: when games companies see people getting the other systems because they have so much more they are going to make their best games for these systems because thats where the money is. With the exception of nintendo owned licenses, nintendo have had to buy companies to make games for them. e.g final fantasy crystal cronicals and fftactics as well as ff1 (gba) are there because nintendo paid huge ammounts for them to make the game, not for squarenix to do an exclusive like what sony has with rockstar and many others but to make single games. also they have lost the exclusive resident evil series which was a huge advantage for them. Because games companies are now seeing the conservative nature of nintendo they know that they can make more money with the other consoles which took the risks. On the online thing, Nintendo have stuck by their guns all along saying they didn't believe their customers were happy with online gaming because of the extra hastle involved. It involves you getting a subscription for that game, cables, connection and the game itself. That rockets the price and is simply not an option most Gamecube owners wanted to take. It may have been a big blow - but it was a lesson learnt. Also, Nintendo is now leading the way with online capabilities, with the DS being the only system able to go online wirelessly. " nintendo have had to buy companies to make games for them. e.g final fantasy crystal cronicals and fftactics as well as ff1 (gba) are there because nintendo paid huge ammounts for them to make the game, not for squarenix to do an exclusive like what sony has with rockstar and many others but to make single games." Nintendo paid no more great deals of money out for that than Sony did for the liscence with Rockstar for GTA. Square-Enix moved away from Nintendo deliberately following feuding in the SNES era. The two companies are now 'friends' again, that is the reason why development of FF games on Nintendo systems has begun again. Square-Enix are in fact working with Nintendo to set up the online servers for the DS. And just a point with the DVD thing: Not having a DVD player on the Gamecube made it the cheapest of the lot (and it still is). That is a bonus to anyone as it means you can buy more games. Which is, after all, why you buy a GAMES console. Like what has been said before, if you want a DVD player - get one. Most people already do by now. I have 5 in my house - I certainly do not need a games console to cost over a hundred pounds further for an extra and surplus DVD player.
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 16, 2004 21:11:46 GMT
okay, can just say something about the whole DVD thing? GC, Xbox and PS2 are GAMES consoles that are intended to play GAMES. Wanna watch DVDs, get a DVD player. Double post, naughty me. Look - your opinion is not that of Joe Public. Want to play games? Get a console. Gee, this console comes with DVD capability and is online ready. This console isn't. You be the judge.
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Post by JC on Dec 16, 2004 21:13:44 GMT
You really hate Nintendo, don't you? Nintendo has taken many risks. Open your eyes, man... Oops, double post. Sorry. thats ok I wont tell. and that quote you made of me really doesnt justify me saying that I hate nintendo. If I hated nintendo why do I own a gamecube and a gba.s.p. and are getting some games for xmas? I dont hate nintendo. I just think the people behind it were foolish for not making it as mainstream as possible. I certainly dont hate them
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 16, 2004 21:15:24 GMT
To nudge in, I adore Nintendo. Their games are the best in the world. But they really haven't got their finger of the button of modern tastes.
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 16, 2004 21:16:14 GMT
Sorry if I caused offence, Hog Hingle! By the way, listen to DoctorOak, he's making some great points!
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 16, 2004 21:17:16 GMT
By the way, listen to DoctorOak, he's making some great points! Because they concur with yours!
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 16, 2004 21:19:27 GMT
Because they concur with yours! Oh my God. You're kidding, right? THEY ARE GOOD POINTS! I'D SAY THAT EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T COINCIDE WITH MINE!! (gasp for breath)
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