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Post by The Shad on May 1, 2011 13:24:07 GMT
How did Batman wet himself? Don't remember reading that? He was talking to the new guy (Baphomet, or Beelzebub, some demonic name) about mistakes he made early in his career. And how in Year One, when he gives the speech to the politicians about how their time is up, he had something rigged to ignite. It went off too powerfully and he had a "bladder spasm."
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Post by Baron Canier on May 31, 2011 22:21:24 GMT
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Post by ShayMay on May 31, 2011 22:42:31 GMT
I wholeheartedly support this. Anyone got any details about what series are being released? Also, digital distribution? [censored]ing. Ace.
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Post by Baron Canier on May 31, 2011 22:50:16 GMT
Well, we've got fifty-two books getting reset to #1, so it'll be anyone you could possibly care about.
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Post by ShayMay on May 31, 2011 22:54:51 GMT
Hopefully Jaime Reyes' Blue Beetle. Hopefully.
I'll probably pick up Batman. Er... yeah, Batman and the Blue Beetle. That'd be swell.
I'm actually incredibly impressed with this. It is something that needed done, but I never thought they'd actually do.
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Post by Baron Canier on May 31, 2011 22:57:23 GMT
Right with you, there. There's also the possibility that they might just bring Ted Kord back. Or have Ted and Jaime at the same time...somehow. It's one of those scenarios that could really be up in the air, but I guess we'll see.
I think it'd be funny if they went: "Blue Beetle? Oh, you mean Dan Garrett."
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Post by The Shad on May 31, 2011 23:04:58 GMT
Any word from Morrison in all this? It's a ballsy move, and I hope it works, I'm just wondering what he's thinking about it.
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Post by Alex on Jun 1, 2011 0:31:52 GMT
Couldn't they have just set up a new continuity ala Ultimate Marvel? Seems a bit destructive to just completely reboot their entire main universe out of nowhere. There was a recent fantastic Superman graphic novel that reinvented the character for today's audience (can't remember its name, but I picked it up a few months ago and thought it was great - and that's coming from someone who's generally not a DC fan) - that would have been a great start for a new universe to spring from.
I honestly can't really see this sticking. It sounds more like a cheap gimmick that'll flop and make an even bigger mess of continuity as a result when they try to fix the mess.
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Post by Baron Canier on Jun 1, 2011 11:47:07 GMT
Couldn't they have just set up a new continuity ala Ultimate Marvel? Nope.
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Post by The Shad on Jun 1, 2011 15:08:08 GMT
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Post by ShayMay on Jun 1, 2011 15:41:59 GMT
This makes me a happy happy Shay.
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Post by Pitt on Jun 1, 2011 15:57:50 GMT
Probably a good move overall, but I hope it won't have too much of an impact on the Green Lantern stories. They've been pretty good for the past few years and it would be a shame to see them go. I would be inclined to agree with this assessment: www.toplessrobot.com/2011/06/dc_hits_the_reset_button.php
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Post by Dave on Jun 7, 2011 8:12:48 GMT
List of DC books announced so far:
- Justice League - Wonder Woman - Aquaman - The Flash - The Fury of Firestorm - The Savage Hawkman - Green Arrow - Justice League International - Mister Terrific - Captain Atom - DC Universe Presents - My Greatest Adventure - Green Lantern - Green Lantern Corps - Green Lantern: The New Guardians - Red Lanterns - Detective Comics - Batman - Batman and Robin - Batman: The Dark Knight - Nightwing - Batgirl - Birds of Prey - Batwing - The Red Hood and The Outlaws - Batwoman
Some big changes here, Bruce and Damian star in the Batman and Robin title, Dick Grayson is back as Nightwing, No info about Tim Drake yet, perhaps the biggest shock is Barbara Gordon being Batgirl again! Readers of DC Comics will know that she's been in a wheelchair for over 20 years after being shot by the Joker in the graphic novel "The Killing Joke".
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on Jun 7, 2011 10:36:19 GMT
While this certainly seems like a great idea to reel in new readers, what about those who have been following the DC Universe for however long? I mean, are the stories that have been built up in my current stash of graphic novels all being scrapped? Has Bruce Wayne returned from the past only for the universe to be reset?
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Post by Baron Canier on Jun 7, 2011 10:45:50 GMT
Damn it. No info about Tim Drake yet As fond as I am of Tim, I don't think he should come back. Despite general fan animosity towards Damien, were Tim to be introduced today as the new Robin ("Hey guys, look at this nine-year-old who's super smart and figured out Batman's secret identity just by looking at him!" among other things) everyone would hate him. Cries of Mary-Sue would drown out everything. After Damien replaced him the poor guy basically became dead weight with nothing to contribute, leading to them making him roam the globe in a bid to give him something to do. Todd definitely shouldn't come back, either. Although given that one of the new titles mentions "Red Hood" it seems I'm not that fortunate. Barbara Gordon being Batgirl again! Readers of DC Comics will know that she's been in a wheelchair for over 20 years after being shot by the Joker I tend to loathe characters who mimic another's gimmick or visuals, "Batgirl" being no exception. They missed a trick to just have her be Oracle (although toned down considerably. None of this "controlling the internet" garbage) minus the wheelchair. Ah, well.
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Post by The Shad on Jun 7, 2011 10:52:53 GMT
Todd definitely shouldn't come back, either. Although given that one of the new titles mentions "Red Hood" it seems I'm not that fortunate. He teams up with Arsenal and they both turn against Batman and Green Arrow and fight crime their own way. Taking names, breaking hearts, and blowing [censored] up. While this certainly seems like a great idea to reel in new readers, what about those who have been following the DC Universe for however long? I mean, are the stories that have been built up in my current stash of graphic novels all being scrapped? Has Bruce Wayne returned from the past only for the universe to be reset? www.comicsalliance.com/2011/06/06/batman-inc-1-2012/Please let the secret project be Superman. In general, we don't know. Babs is back as Batgirl, so whether she recovers from the paralysis, or was just never paralysed, is unknown. Birds of Prey will continue, but as more of a Outsiders type book. The upcoming Batman writers are all very good, but very safe, as well. Morrison, I love him, don't get me wrong, but he's experimental as hell. Compare The Dark Knight with RIP. One is a gritty, pseudo-realistic movie. The other has Batman getting doped up on heroin and punching Satan. People who saw TDK who went and bought the comics got something hugely different from what they were expecting. DC are trying to create coherence between the comics and the movies. Hence the four GL books, to coincide with the movie. Hence the Red Lantern book, since the movie is really dragging up the emotional spectrum mythology.
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Post by Baron Canier on Jun 7, 2011 11:00:02 GMT
While this certainly seems like a great idea to reel in new readers, what about those who have been following the DC Universe for however long? Well, I've been reading the DCU (or chunks of it) for a good while now and I'm loving the prospect of adjusting the creases, so to speak. It's something I felt DC or Marvel should've done long ago in order to effectively segregate and control their massive, ungainly universes. Creations that were becoming bogged down by excessive reliance on continuity. I mean, are the stories that have been built up in my current stash of graphic novels all being scrapped? Starting over doesn't mean you can't still enjoy older stories for what they are, y'know. The stories are still there to read, just like the dozens upon dozens of Star Wars comics and books that get rendered "non-canon" whenever George Lucas farts in a certain direction. Furthermore, it's likely they'll take the broadstroke approach (one that I've always wanted them to take in regards to this sort of thing). For example: though Batman is now "early" in his career as a cape-wearing loon, he could run across the Scarecrow and know who he is, implying they've met before and so it's all peachy. Has Bruce Wayne returned from the past only for the universe to be reset? Possibly. But that whole thing was [censored]ing moronic anyway, so hey.
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Post by The Shad on Jun 7, 2011 11:03:18 GMT
But that whole thing was [censored]ing moronic anyway, so hey. Quiet, you fool, or Morrison will have your universal imprint dragged out of reality by the Legions of the Nth World! He has powers!
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on Jun 7, 2011 11:15:40 GMT
For a while, I believed that Batman's apparent death was exactly what it was made out to be, and the idea of killing off Bruce Wayne - a mainstay of the entire DC universe - actually seemed rather interesting as it could open up to a whole new bunch of stories. But I can see why they wouldn't stick with that, since killing off Bruce might pretty much piss off the world.
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Post by The Shad on Jun 10, 2011 20:52:10 GMT
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Post by Alex on Jun 10, 2011 21:01:56 GMT
In non-DC related discussion, I recently acquired a complete collection of Thunderbolts and have been slowly working through it (up to around issue #30 something - past Busiek's run, anyway). I'm not the greatest fan of either Marvel or DC's output in the 90s, but Thunderbolts is really striking the right chord with me. Kinda wish I had the opportunity to follow it properly 10 years ago now.
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Post by ShayMay on Jun 10, 2011 21:20:45 GMT
WHOA Supergirl looks fantastic. Not in a sexual way. >_>; Her rework is absolutely stunning - her costume is really an excellent design. It's sleek, modern, but immediately recognisable. Same for Superman's, although to a lesser extent - they couldn't mess with it too much, but both of them seem a lot more appealing to me now.
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Post by The Shad on Jun 10, 2011 21:57:57 GMT
WHOA Supergirl looks fantastic. Not in a sexual way. >_>; Her rework is absolutely stunning - her costume is really an excellent design. It's sleek, modern, but immediately recognisable. Same for Superman's, although to a lesser extent - they couldn't mess with it too much, but both of them seem a lot more appealing to me now. I'll just copypaste this, it says it a lot better than I would. If you don't want a wall of text from an obsessive Supergirl fan, I think it's a good costume, wouldn't look out of place in Marvel cosmic, not a great Supergirl suit. And now, over to the Dangerousladies.
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Post by Baron Canier on Jun 11, 2011 10:54:00 GMT
They've been messing with the S for years. Weirdly, Supergirl's particular S emblem seems to be the same one that Superman had during his Blue phase. The boots are peculiar, but I kinda like them. Suitably alien. The design around her crotch is a tad stupid, though. If only because it seems like she has a hatch on her mid-section. Really digging the cape, since it allows her to have one (as part of the "Superman family") while giving it her own distinct look. Supes himself actually seems to have gone back to his "original" look a bit (in regards to the boots, mostly). And I'm glad he finally - finally - got rid of his outside-undies. Yes, he's had them for years. Yes, it was originally meant to create connotations to circus strongmen, but goddamn it they've outstayed their welcome for far too long. If I might wax pretentious a moment, they kind of embodied how Cape comics in general enshrine traditions and refuse to budge. Still wish they'd used this costume for Superman. It's per-feck.
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Post by The Shad on Jun 11, 2011 11:17:13 GMT
And I'm glad he finally - finally - got rid of his outside-undies. Yes, he's had them for years. Yes, it was originally meant to create connotations to circus strongmen, but goddamn it they've outstayed their welcome for far too long. If I might wax pretentious a moment, they kind of embodied how Cape comics in general enshrine traditions and refuse to budge. I'll agree with you, to a point. The red broke up the solid blue, gave it a bit of pop. It could have been done differently, certainly, but now, instead of fairly solid red break, we have that retarded looking belt. Oh, most definitely. Tim Gunn, of all people, loves that. The red sides breaks up the blue nicely, But that was a submission for a competition, there would be legal difficulties to use it. Apparently, something similar happened with the black Spider-Man suit, the final version was radically different from the original design, but I think the movie version was quite similar, it's all very vague and hidden in legalese.
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