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Post by Retro on Oct 29, 2010 18:03:41 GMT
Didn't he kinda die in a big ball of train explodey fire? Earlier exchanges in Begins hinted that he was immortal. The comic version of the character is also immortal, so it essentially functions as a "back door" of ambiguity just in case Nolan wanted to use the character a second time. Also, Batman Begins kind of defies the "Gotta be popular to make it in!" convention, since the villains (Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, Falconi) are all ones most folks had never heard of. Prior to Begins nobody would've thought you could pull off a convincing Scarecrow on the big screen. It's all about the priorities of the execution. The film explained that Ghul was immortal only in the sense that when he dies, another takes his place. As a human, he was entirely mortal.
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Post by Nam on Oct 29, 2010 20:12:16 GMT
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Post by Samface on Oct 30, 2010 10:29:08 GMT
That guy's really good! The voice is a bit off but he's got the twitches and expressions down beautifully.
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Post by rj on Oct 30, 2010 21:16:27 GMT
Make it another two-villain movie and have Harley and Selina together. Catwoman makes sense because she's:
1: A love interest, which the producers and everyone else likes because Rachel is dead 2: A wonderful foil for Batman, one who can highlight the break between Batman's JUSTICE and the law 3: also she's kind of sexy too so there's that
Harley makes sense because Joker. I can't see her really being a main focus, though, lest we be subject to the entire conflict being there because of a one-off line saying "oh yeah, she went crazy because she psychologized the joker and now she's in love with him too?"
To which Batman would just say "okay whatever" and get it over with as quickly as possible because by that point The Dark Knight Rises is considerably worse than Batman & Robin.
So: Catwoman as the main focus but secondary antagonist. Harley as main antagonist but background focus along with some other, minor Batman rogues (like Zsasz) who perform one-off things. Make the entire point of this Catwoman, more or less.
During all of this set up Tommy Elliot. Have him be a friend of Bruce's sometime after his parents' death. Have them meet up in Princeton University or somesuch thing. It wouldn't be too difficult to set it up convincingly. But make it happen in the background.
Then, when the third act happens, Hush comes out of nowhere and reveals he's been pulling the strings the entire time.
Of course it would be set up better than what this post suggests but the general idea works well dramatically and I think this is how I would like the movie to go probably
Either that or make the third movie's villain All Catwoman Constantly and don't have another villain. Make the plot's focus their relationship and Bruce's relationship with Batman, psychologically. Make the third Batman less of an action film and more of a drama.
(either way of these seems logical to me from a dramatic standpoint)
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Oct 30, 2010 21:36:31 GMT
Why would he choose Catwoman when there was that entire piece of [censored] film about her?
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Post by rj on Oct 30, 2010 22:17:43 GMT
That wasn't even about her
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Oct 30, 2010 22:39:54 GMT
Maybe but the name has been sullied! The man has a reputation to keep!!
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Post by rj on Oct 31, 2010 0:07:59 GMT
i don't think he has to worry about things whose names have been sullied
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Post by Balls on Oct 31, 2010 2:22:33 GMT
i hope robins in this
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Post by rj on Oct 31, 2010 4:18:29 GMT
oh god maybe they could get nicholas cage to play him!!!!!!!!!! =O =O =O
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Post by Spudiator on Oct 31, 2010 8:50:07 GMT
Robin would be good in the new film, if he's in for about 5 minutes and then dies gruesomely!
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Oct 31, 2010 15:40:40 GMT
Exactly. And none of those characters should be in it either!! [/blanket statement]
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Oct 31, 2010 16:58:49 GMT
Hey thats pretty cold of you Mambo...
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Oct 31, 2010 17:08:53 GMT
Ice to see you get the joke!
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Post by madhair60 on Oct 31, 2010 20:26:14 GMT
Batman and Robin, of course, being superior to the staggeringly unpleasant Burton efforts.
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Oct 31, 2010 20:50:59 GMT
I hated Returns. Didn't mind the first, but both felt like they were trying to be dark and sinister, while coming off as just a bit silly really. At least the Schumacher ones didn't try to hide it.
On Robin - Since Nolan's pretty much said that this is the last Batman he'll be doing, I wouldn't be surprised if Robin was referenced, or introduced at the end. I'd prefer it if not though.
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Post by Samface on Nov 1, 2010 11:48:51 GMT
Returns was rubbish. First one was good though.
Personally I don't think Forever gets enough love. But that's just me.
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Post by Baron Canier on Nov 1, 2010 12:00:34 GMT
Nolan said he'd never include Robin as long as he's the director. Christian Bale stated he'd drop the Batman role if they tried to introduce Robin.
No Robin this time, folks.
I'd like to see them take a stab at Hush, since he's less elaborate than some of the other villains and thus easy to keep the movie grounded in reality (occassional bit of super-science aside, anyways). In the past I was sceptical due to Tommy's glaring absence from Bruce's childhood - a friend role that was filled by Rachael - but you could tweak it so they met sometime during Bruce's adolescence. Prior to Bruce pulling a Kane from Kung-Fu, that is.
However, they'd need to really overhaul the character's motivations, since "I hated my parents and I hate you!" would come across as...well, pathetic. He'd need to be able to do something other villains cannot, such as bypassing Bruce's Batman persona and directly ruining his life.
The other problem is that introducing Thomas Elliot and then revealing him to be a villain within the same film would be far too obvious. Audiences would be able to guess almost immediatly. They'd need to get a bit inventive.
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Post by Supermorff on Nov 1, 2010 17:16:25 GMT
The other problem is that introducing Thomas Elliot and then revealing him to be a villain within the same film would be far too obvious. Audiences would be able to guess almost immediatly. They'd need to get a bit inventive. That was pretty much my biggest complaint with the Hush comic series too. Frankly, if you want a character like that, might as well go for Wrath.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Nov 1, 2010 19:43:51 GMT
I did love Returns as a kid. Watched it again and its a bit too bizarre really.
I mean the Penguin having blue ooze drip from his mouth as he ate raw fish.
Mind you Michelle Phfefier...
Forever was ok. [censored]ed up Two Face though. If they had General Evil McEvil of the Evil clan he would be ok.
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Post by Alex on Nov 1, 2010 19:57:46 GMT
I actually really like the Burton films. I think, though, that I'd probably nominate Forever as my favourite non-Nolan Batman film, mostly on the grounds that although it was a comical, camp affair, it was also genuinely entertaining and funny.
Still, the Burton films had a really lovely aesthetic to them, Micheal Keaton was the best combination of both Batman and Bruce Wayne outside of the cartoon (beating Bale by miles) and the villains were all cast and used pretty damned well. There's a lot more fantasy to it than the Nolan films, but it uses it well, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Spudiator on Nov 1, 2010 22:19:31 GMT
The Tim Burton Batman films had the best Batmobile by a country mile!
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Nov 1, 2010 23:27:18 GMT
Ah, now I'd agree with the Keaton > Bale view. Keaton's charisma seemed less forced than Bale's does. Also, I'm glad that the Burton directed 'Superman Lives' never came to fruition... It just looks... wrong.
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Post by Pitt on Nov 2, 2010 9:30:47 GMT
Batman and Robin was the first Batman film I saw. It's not a great movie but I have a hard time hating it like everyone says I should because it's so funny. I didn't like Batman Forever very much, though. If you're trying to make a darker film you should probably leave out the rocket-powered penguins. If those had been in one of the Joel Schumacher films it would have worked.
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Post by Alex on Nov 2, 2010 10:25:33 GMT
Returns was the Penguin. Forever and Robin were the Schumacher ones.
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